Full Version: PLEASE -- HELP BRING MADELEINE HOME!
i have found something very strange, whenever we hear about these sightings the witnesses call out maddie and the girl turns and looks then the person who is with them suddenly fleas the area then the police dismiss it very quickly, do you think they are closing in on the person or persons who took her
Hi Nigel,
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Just a follow-up on the Montpellier sighting... Originally, after viewing the security camera video, the police released a statement that the girl was definitely not Madeleine. Now we have some more information which helps to explain their reasons behind making that statement.
From a Sky News article:
If you wish to view the whole report on the Sky News online site, just click on this link:
McCanns Want Montpellier Sighting Video
It seems reasonable that Madeleine's parents should be able to see the video so hopefully this will be arranged very soon. The request must be made formally and come through official channels but that is pretty usual in such matters.
Meanwhile we keep hoping...
From a Sky News article:
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On Wednesday, a French police official said investigators had examined CCTV footage from the restaurant and determined it was not Madeleine.
But on Thursday, a police official in France would only say that the girl caught on camera did not appear to be held against her will.
But on Thursday, a police official in France would only say that the girl caught on camera did not appear to be held against her will.
If you wish to view the whole report on the Sky News online site, just click on this link:
McCanns Want Montpellier Sighting Video
It seems reasonable that Madeleine's parents should be able to see the video so hopefully this will be arranged very soon. The request must be made formally and come through official channels but that is pretty usual in such matters.
Meanwhile we keep hoping...
Apparently, she was sighted here in Dorset also. I'm not sure what to make of it. My question is, why didn't the person get the registration number of the people carrier she was in. Why, given this guy said Madeleine used their bathroom, if he was so sure it was her, didn't he inform the police right away.
I must say, I do wonder about these sightings at times.
Tricia x
I must say, I do wonder about these sightings at times.
Tricia x
Hi Tricia,
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Having read the reports online in the Daily Mail and the Telegraph I'm left wondering... We have no indication of exactly when this was, no details of the car (not even its colour) and not much else either. It's curious that the witness is apparently so sure that the couple were speaking fluent Portuguese -- something I certainly couldn't be sure of if I heard it, quite frankly -- but didn't think to note down the car's registration number. It strikes me as spurious and a story that should never have got beyond the pages of The Sun. (For non-UK readers, this is equivalent to the National Enquirer in the US and the (apparently now defunct) Truth in Australia.)
On the other hand, at least stories like this one serve the purpose of keeping Madeleine (and hopefully other missing persons cases) within the public eye.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Having read the reports online in the Daily Mail and the Telegraph I'm left wondering... We have no indication of exactly when this was, no details of the car (not even its colour) and not much else either. It's curious that the witness is apparently so sure that the couple were speaking fluent Portuguese -- something I certainly couldn't be sure of if I heard it, quite frankly -- but didn't think to note down the car's registration number. It strikes me as spurious and a story that should never have got beyond the pages of The Sun. (For non-UK readers, this is equivalent to the National Enquirer in the US and the (apparently now defunct) Truth in Australia.)
On the other hand, at least stories like this one serve the purpose of keeping Madeleine (and hopefully other missing persons cases) within the public eye.
Just read in the paper yesterday that they are searching in a reservoir near Silves - they have divers down there after a tip off from someone in the criminal world. Just wanted to update for anyone keeping track of the story. I pray every day that they find her, fingers crossed.
QUOTE (joey @ Mar 14 2008, 07:55 AM) 
Just read in the paper yesterday that they are searching in a reservoir near Silves - they have divers down there after a tip off from someone in the criminal world. Just wanted to update for anyone keeping track of the story. I pray every day that they find her, fingers crossed.
Hi Joey,
thank you for posting about this. Yes, divers are searching a reservoir there -- but just to be clear on this (for other readers) they are not police divers and this search is not being carried out under the auspices of any official authority. It's being privately funded by a lawyer there who is basically doing all this off his own bat. Some media have been rather negative towards him on that score but I feel if anyone has the resources to organize such searches in places that the police have no further interest in, then let them go ahead... Even if they find nothing connected to Madeleine (which I feel will be the likely result), it at least removes that place from the list of possibilities...
Meanwhile (like you), we stay hopeful...
i strongly believe that she is still in portugal. it would be very difficult to take a child who was kidnapped (with this much media exposure attention) into a different country without being noticed. the fact that she has that mark on her eye would make it more noticeable. and with all the passports and red tape you have to go through now going through customs....it's not really plausible to me honestly. i believe she will be found. i am staying optimistic for madeleine and her family. again, the descriptions of where she might be by people on this thread are very much like the ones i've had. the coastal image. i know this all happened by the ocean so it might seem obvious, but i think she is like right directly on the coast. i mean on the sand almost. the boats and the fish. i keep getting this image of white walls...before i said sandstone but when i looked up what sandstone was it didn't look like bricks...more like stucco made from a lot of sand. you know that kind of material that sometimes it used in shallow pools and when you walk on it, it hurts your feet because the surface is so grainy. that's what the walls are made of. and i see a shadow coming over it it late in the day right before the sun is going down. there are wind chimes. hanging there. i hear the ocean and there is the fish smell. i still believe that there is a cult involved in this. still think silves. i really really wish that we could get some people in there who are not the portuguese authorities. i believe that one of the reasons this is going on so long is because there are some individuals within their law enforcement who are in on it, or being paid off by the group. i don't think this is the first time. we need to get someone in their who can investigate who isn't from portugal. i feel that they are getting away with this because of all the laws of jurisdiction in their country. it stinks. doesn't make me want to go to portugal anytime soon that's for sure.
Hello Starlo,
what follows is just a look at some "practicalities". It is not to deny your own feelings in this matter, because as long as Madeleine remains missing, your own sense of where she may be is just as valid as anyone else's. All I am doing here is providing information about what is possible under present conditions within Europe.
Some years ago, it was pretty complicated to travel around Europe because of the many border crossings, custom checks and the need for visas and so forth. However, these days it's a lot different. Basically I can travel from Prague by road throughout most of Europe and I only need to stop for fuel, food and rest. Most of the borders are "open" and for EU member-state citizens, no visas are required. In fact, there are very few border controls in place, though spot checks are sometimes carried out by police and customs agents within their own countries. We still need to show passports to cross the channel into the UK but on the "mainland" of Europe we can basically drive through from one country to the next. While this is a great advantage for travellers it does make it very easy to move people around illegally -- far more so than in the past.
Here is a map of the EU:
(Copyright acknowledgment: this map, sourced from the europa.eu website, is reproduced for educational/informational purposes under "fair use" conditions and may not be reproduced without acknowledging its source, and must not in any case be reproduced in other than its original form.)
As you can see, with much of Europe being virtually "open" these days, it would be very easy to transport someone quite far...
Regarding the "defect" in Madeleine's eye, you are quite right that it is something that strongly improves the chances of her being identified, if someone who sees her is aware of it. However, this case got very little attention in my own (resident) country and has long since dropped off the radar. I expect that only a very small percentage of people here would have any idea who Madeleine McCann is, and even less could adequately describe her, let alone be aware of her eye defect. The same applies to many countries in central and eastern Europe, where the reporting tends to be much more introverted and focused on local matters than seems to be the case further west. Even so, the information about her eye defect was not released immediately after she went missing. It was (if I recall) some weeks before that knowledge became widely known, which allowed plenty of time for her to be moved almost anywhere in Europe if not beyond.
Having said all of this, I also agree that (like you say) she could well be in Portugal. The simple fact is that in spite of various sightings we still have no solid evidence to confirm anything different.
Note to Moderators: I have not reduced the map's size because doing so would make it hard to read and could also be seen as a breach of copyright conditions.
what follows is just a look at some "practicalities". It is not to deny your own feelings in this matter, because as long as Madeleine remains missing, your own sense of where she may be is just as valid as anyone else's. All I am doing here is providing information about what is possible under present conditions within Europe.
Some years ago, it was pretty complicated to travel around Europe because of the many border crossings, custom checks and the need for visas and so forth. However, these days it's a lot different. Basically I can travel from Prague by road throughout most of Europe and I only need to stop for fuel, food and rest. Most of the borders are "open" and for EU member-state citizens, no visas are required. In fact, there are very few border controls in place, though spot checks are sometimes carried out by police and customs agents within their own countries. We still need to show passports to cross the channel into the UK but on the "mainland" of Europe we can basically drive through from one country to the next. While this is a great advantage for travellers it does make it very easy to move people around illegally -- far more so than in the past.
Here is a map of the EU:
(Copyright acknowledgment: this map, sourced from the europa.eu website, is reproduced for educational/informational purposes under "fair use" conditions and may not be reproduced without acknowledging its source, and must not in any case be reproduced in other than its original form.)
As you can see, with much of Europe being virtually "open" these days, it would be very easy to transport someone quite far...
Regarding the "defect" in Madeleine's eye, you are quite right that it is something that strongly improves the chances of her being identified, if someone who sees her is aware of it. However, this case got very little attention in my own (resident) country and has long since dropped off the radar. I expect that only a very small percentage of people here would have any idea who Madeleine McCann is, and even less could adequately describe her, let alone be aware of her eye defect. The same applies to many countries in central and eastern Europe, where the reporting tends to be much more introverted and focused on local matters than seems to be the case further west. Even so, the information about her eye defect was not released immediately after she went missing. It was (if I recall) some weeks before that knowledge became widely known, which allowed plenty of time for her to be moved almost anywhere in Europe if not beyond.
Having said all of this, I also agree that (like you say) she could well be in Portugal. The simple fact is that in spite of various sightings we still have no solid evidence to confirm anything different.
Note to Moderators: I have not reduced the map's size because doing so would make it hard to read and could also be seen as a breach of copyright conditions.
I want to add a dream I had about Madeleine on 10th March 08.
She was wandering around outside but under huge white nets (the type they use with fruit tree farming) It was really sunny and near the sea on a very rocky mountanous area, it looked like an extinct volcano as the rocks were black like clinkers.It had the feel of an island and was very green with fruit trees.
The netting she was under was about 50 feet across by the length of 5 tennis courts and it was early morning with mists and sun.
She was wearing a white dress with pale blue piping and holding a long white cat (not sure if it was a toy or real), she was humming to herself as she walked around the trees.
There was a house a few feet away from the netting with a path around and the building was 'L shaped with the kitchen at the back....the house was made of pale stone and quite old with a large gravelled area for parking down the length of the house.
I used my cards to find out if she was still in Portugal and it came up with yes, so I just went through the azores (portuguese islands) with my cards...and Pico island came out the strongest.
But I have been using Google Earth to find the image I had with this dream and have come across the island of Hierro in the Canary Islands which appears to have a lot of netted fruit tree farms.
I have contacted a person in Portugal and he said that they tend to net Nisperos. I had no idea fruit trees were covered but they do it to protect the fruit from rain damage.
I don't feel she is dead but whoever she is with has the money/power to dissapear with the child and I feel she won't be found for a long time.
Can any-one relate to any of this ?
She was wandering around outside but under huge white nets (the type they use with fruit tree farming) It was really sunny and near the sea on a very rocky mountanous area, it looked like an extinct volcano as the rocks were black like clinkers.It had the feel of an island and was very green with fruit trees.
The netting she was under was about 50 feet across by the length of 5 tennis courts and it was early morning with mists and sun.
She was wearing a white dress with pale blue piping and holding a long white cat (not sure if it was a toy or real), she was humming to herself as she walked around the trees.
There was a house a few feet away from the netting with a path around and the building was 'L shaped with the kitchen at the back....the house was made of pale stone and quite old with a large gravelled area for parking down the length of the house.
I used my cards to find out if she was still in Portugal and it came up with yes, so I just went through the azores (portuguese islands) with my cards...and Pico island came out the strongest.
But I have been using Google Earth to find the image I had with this dream and have come across the island of Hierro in the Canary Islands which appears to have a lot of netted fruit tree farms.
I have contacted a person in Portugal and he said that they tend to net Nisperos. I had no idea fruit trees were covered but they do it to protect the fruit from rain damage.
I don't feel she is dead but whoever she is with has the money/power to dissapear with the child and I feel she won't be found for a long time.
Can any-one relate to any of this ?
Can every-one send their thoughts,dreams and meditations starting tonight at 9pm gmt to this site until 9pm gmt sunday.....come on all you warm hearted people...lets find her please!!
ill help. i seen her remotly and shes very scared. poor little girl 
. i think i can talk to her threw telepathy. and shes happy to hear from me.
. i think i can talk to her threw telepathy. and shes happy to hear from me.
i was thinking about her today. i feel she is still alive. but there is something uncomfortable or something going on. the weird thing is that i feel like i'm talking to an older madeleine. i pray so hard that she will finally be found.
QUOTE (starlo @ May 9 2008, 06:29 PM)
i was thinking about her today. i feel she is still alive. but there is something uncomfortable or something going on. the weird thing is that i feel like i'm talking to an older madeleine. i pray so hard that she will finally be found.
i just discovered that her birthday is on monday. she will be five years old. so happy birthday madeleine, wherever you may be.
It's wonderful to see the comments on the thread here...Staying positive and holding on to belief is the best thing we can continue to do... Children have sometimes been found and returned to their families even after several years, and while we wouldn't want this case to go on that long, the fact remains that we still have reason to stay hopeful.
Somebody, somewhere in this world, knows where she is. Sooner or later, that knowledge should come out.
Sooner would be far better for everyone, especially for Madeleine and her family.
If anyone has information then please pass it on. I'm not really saying this to our forum members here (for many of them have already contributed what they could) but to anyone among the thousands who visit this site every month and who might read this thread. There is no moral dilemma here; there is only one right thing to do and that is to let someone know.
Somebody, somewhere in this world, knows where she is. Sooner or later, that knowledge should come out.
Sooner would be far better for everyone, especially for Madeleine and her family.
If anyone has information then please pass it on. I'm not really saying this to our forum members here (for many of them have already contributed what they could) but to anyone among the thousands who visit this site every month and who might read this thread. There is no moral dilemma here; there is only one right thing to do and that is to let someone know.
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I agree totally,how can we spread this forum wide enough to include all the other psychics out there !!?
I'd like to know what the mccanns web site is being sent from psychics, how much %wise comes from people like us.Does Metotdo3 give out such details ?
I hope that our messages/dreams and premonitions get through to the McCanns.
With enough detail we could all make a huge difference, but I worry that our feelings stay on this site and are never seen by Metodo3 or the McCanns.
I must say that those who have given psychic info seem to all be on the same psychic wave length, but we must continue to focus on Madeleine further as it appears she is being moved continually, we are all getting movement with her aren't we.
Sending love where-ever she may be.
I agree totally,how can we spread this forum wide enough to include all the other psychics out there !!?
I'd like to know what the mccanns web site is being sent from psychics, how much %wise comes from people like us.Does Metotdo3 give out such details ?
I hope that our messages/dreams and premonitions get through to the McCanns.
With enough detail we could all make a huge difference, but I worry that our feelings stay on this site and are never seen by Metodo3 or the McCanns.
I must say that those who have given psychic info seem to all be on the same psychic wave length, but we must continue to focus on Madeleine further as it appears she is being moved continually, we are all getting movement with her aren't we.
Sending love where-ever she may be.
Hi ammo,
I expect that quite a lot of psychics drop in on this site from time to time, especially when there is an important matter and they want to see what sort of impressions are being picked up... The McCanns' site has definitely had input from psychics; even though the McCanns themselves have stated that they do not seek our help there must be others who monitor that site who would take note of anything sent in that might be worth following up.
There is no need to worry that what we say here stays only within this site and doesn't reach others... If you google "Madeleine psychic", that being a fair choice of words for anyone who is looking for psychic information related to Madeleine, you will get around 121,000 matches, with the first one being this thread... Of the 116,000 or so unique US visitors to the Psychic Guild website last month, 76% of them were classified as passers-by rather than regulars. (Figures from Quantcast. BTW, US visitors account for only about one-third of all traffic to the Guild's site, so it's quite a busy one...) This Forum is only part of the Guild's site, but all the same, we can reasonably assume that we get a lot of people dropping in and that would apply to this thread as well. And people who drop in on a psychic website to view a thread about Madeleine McCann must have some reasons for doing so... Mainly, they are looking for information, for clues, for anything that might help them find her.
On that basis, the best thing we can do is keep encouraging members to post any information they have. I believe many of us have insights that are valuable, and as we have no idea what work may be going on quietly behind the scenes in the investigation, some of what we write here could be vital. At the very least, this is yet another avenue to maintain people's awareness...and as I have said before, not only in Madeleine's case, but in other cases of missing people as well -- especially children.
I agree with you that several members appear to have the impression that Madeleine is being moved around...I take this as a positive and I am sure that you do as well.
I expect that quite a lot of psychics drop in on this site from time to time, especially when there is an important matter and they want to see what sort of impressions are being picked up... The McCanns' site has definitely had input from psychics; even though the McCanns themselves have stated that they do not seek our help there must be others who monitor that site who would take note of anything sent in that might be worth following up.
There is no need to worry that what we say here stays only within this site and doesn't reach others... If you google "Madeleine psychic", that being a fair choice of words for anyone who is looking for psychic information related to Madeleine, you will get around 121,000 matches, with the first one being this thread... Of the 116,000 or so unique US visitors to the Psychic Guild website last month, 76% of them were classified as passers-by rather than regulars. (Figures from Quantcast. BTW, US visitors account for only about one-third of all traffic to the Guild's site, so it's quite a busy one...) This Forum is only part of the Guild's site, but all the same, we can reasonably assume that we get a lot of people dropping in and that would apply to this thread as well. And people who drop in on a psychic website to view a thread about Madeleine McCann must have some reasons for doing so... Mainly, they are looking for information, for clues, for anything that might help them find her.
On that basis, the best thing we can do is keep encouraging members to post any information they have. I believe many of us have insights that are valuable, and as we have no idea what work may be going on quietly behind the scenes in the investigation, some of what we write here could be vital. At the very least, this is yet another avenue to maintain people's awareness...and as I have said before, not only in Madeleine's case, but in other cases of missing people as well -- especially children.
I agree with you that several members appear to have the impression that Madeleine is being moved around...I take this as a positive and I am sure that you do as well.
Hey all I haven't visited for a while but thought I would come back and share some updated thoughts.
I feel strongly that Madeleine is still alive and strangely healthy and happy believing or being told her parents will find her.
I see her on the news like CNN coming out of a white helicopter with one of her parents. Its a far away vision - like they are using a telescopic lense to capture this. She looks physically taller. I see her dressed in pink with a bob haircut. I have no idea why but the word Canada is coming to me as an important link in this rescue.
I feel that there needs to be a massive increase in the reward money for the appropriate people to decide to give up her whereabouts and her abductors.
I feel the McCanns need to come out and create some kind of new effort that massively increases the reward money.
I feel a coincidental sighting or worshipping crowd which is related to Mary (mother of Jesus) will bizzarely be connected to the whereabouts of Madeleine being found. Does this connect to the town of Fatima in Portugal I wonder ?
Now I will offer some messages from my deceased grandmother who I feel has a spiritual connection to me:
1. Where is Madeleine now: On a farm in a deserted area - she is the only child in the place. She is looking out onto green fields and cattle.
2. France is coming up as a current location.
3. She asks about when she will see Sean and Amelie still often. She is continually promised they will come and visit her.
4. There are guns around the farm and the farmer is very skilled with one but Madeleine is in no danger in regards to the gun use.
5. She is bored.
6. There is suggestion of giving her up and dropping her off in the centre of a nearby town to be found. They are undecided.
7. Madeleine's parents actually need to do more to try and find her - they need to visit countries and knock on doors showing locals her picture - this will cause a positive chain of events to occur.
Hope everyone is well
I feel strongly that Madeleine is still alive and strangely healthy and happy believing or being told her parents will find her.
I see her on the news like CNN coming out of a white helicopter with one of her parents. Its a far away vision - like they are using a telescopic lense to capture this. She looks physically taller. I see her dressed in pink with a bob haircut. I have no idea why but the word Canada is coming to me as an important link in this rescue.
I feel that there needs to be a massive increase in the reward money for the appropriate people to decide to give up her whereabouts and her abductors.
I feel the McCanns need to come out and create some kind of new effort that massively increases the reward money.
I feel a coincidental sighting or worshipping crowd which is related to Mary (mother of Jesus) will bizzarely be connected to the whereabouts of Madeleine being found. Does this connect to the town of Fatima in Portugal I wonder ?
Now I will offer some messages from my deceased grandmother who I feel has a spiritual connection to me:
1. Where is Madeleine now: On a farm in a deserted area - she is the only child in the place. She is looking out onto green fields and cattle.
2. France is coming up as a current location.
3. She asks about when she will see Sean and Amelie still often. She is continually promised they will come and visit her.
4. There are guns around the farm and the farmer is very skilled with one but Madeleine is in no danger in regards to the gun use.
5. She is bored.
6. There is suggestion of giving her up and dropping her off in the centre of a nearby town to be found. They are undecided.
7. Madeleine's parents actually need to do more to try and find her - they need to visit countries and knock on doors showing locals her picture - this will cause a positive chain of events to occur.
Hope everyone is well
QUOTE (helpinghand @ May 18 2008, 10:43 PM)
Hey all I haven't visited for a while but thought I would come back and share some updated thoughts.
I feel strongly that Madeleine is still alive and strangely healthy and happy believing or being told her parents will find her.
I feel strongly that Madeleine is still alive and strangely healthy and happy believing or being told her parents will find her.
[b][color=#000099]Brilliant !! wish we had more posts like this.Please check out my post #160 on the dream I had of Madeleine. Last night I dreamt of an indoor pool but the deep end was about 50feet deep and surrounded by glass so outsiders could see from below all those in the pool, I woke up with the david bowie song '1984' in my head.Possibly taking a leaf out of Quests stance on things,it could be the number of days she will be away from her parents. I don't know if this has any relevance to Madeleine, but I have asked my guide for dreams when I get a night to myself and this is what I received.
All I can think of is Madeleine and getting her found.how great will we all feel when this happens ?
Sending you all a big hug.
Yes there is a lot of detail in helpinghand's post and there are some points in particular that would be worth following up. I for one will be keeping an eye out for any reports relating to known "miracle" sites like Fatima and also Lourdes...
I must emphasize that it really doesn't matter if what we pick up is totally accurate...or even if we are not certain if it is or not. What does matter is that if anyone gets any impressions then it's better to post them than remain silent. It's like when police are investigating a bank robbery, for example. There may be many witnesses and they do not all see things in exactly the same way and with the same degree of perspective and detail, but the sum total of all those witness accounts are still valuable because they are pieces of the puzzle and one of them may be the key piece that allows so many others to fit and solve the case... In this case, we are like witnesses from afar. What we sense or see (by whatever means) is worth stating because it's very likely that some of it is accurate -- or so close to the truth that it can lead investigators closer to the ultimate goal of finding this little girl...
Ammo's post on page 8 (post #160) also provides some very specific detail. It could also be of great importance -- and again, it doesn't matter if it relates to Portugal while helpinghand's information connects to France. It is so very easy these days to move around in Europe and a person could easily visit France, Portugal, Spain and a few other places within 24 hours if they had the motivation. There is also the point that there may well be more than one person involved in this case (I suspect it's like in fact), and so to pick up on various locations could simply mean we are "witnessing" different aspects of the whole...
For ammo: two things strike me in your latest post. "Being thrown in at the deep end" is the idiom that comes to me in regards to the indoor pool...There is also the thought of people in the pool being like fish in a fish bowl... In respect of "1984" the first thing that comes to mind is George Orwell's book. That has implications which it might not be appropriate to discuss on this forum. However, as you said, there could well be other symbolic meanings as well...
The truth will come out eventually, but sooner would be better than later -- for everyone.
I must emphasize that it really doesn't matter if what we pick up is totally accurate...or even if we are not certain if it is or not. What does matter is that if anyone gets any impressions then it's better to post them than remain silent. It's like when police are investigating a bank robbery, for example. There may be many witnesses and they do not all see things in exactly the same way and with the same degree of perspective and detail, but the sum total of all those witness accounts are still valuable because they are pieces of the puzzle and one of them may be the key piece that allows so many others to fit and solve the case... In this case, we are like witnesses from afar. What we sense or see (by whatever means) is worth stating because it's very likely that some of it is accurate -- or so close to the truth that it can lead investigators closer to the ultimate goal of finding this little girl...
Ammo's post on page 8 (post #160) also provides some very specific detail. It could also be of great importance -- and again, it doesn't matter if it relates to Portugal while helpinghand's information connects to France. It is so very easy these days to move around in Europe and a person could easily visit France, Portugal, Spain and a few other places within 24 hours if they had the motivation. There is also the point that there may well be more than one person involved in this case (I suspect it's like in fact), and so to pick up on various locations could simply mean we are "witnessing" different aspects of the whole...
For ammo: two things strike me in your latest post. "Being thrown in at the deep end" is the idiom that comes to me in regards to the indoor pool...There is also the thought of people in the pool being like fish in a fish bowl... In respect of "1984" the first thing that comes to mind is George Orwell's book. That has implications which it might not be appropriate to discuss on this forum. However, as you said, there could well be other symbolic meanings as well...
The truth will come out eventually, but sooner would be better than later -- for everyone.
QUOTE (Lenky @ May 20 2008, 09:20 AM)
The truth will come out eventually, but sooner would be better than later -- for everyone.
Hello everyone, I'm new here, but have been following this thread for a while. Everything on Madeleine has gone very quiet. I'm a bit novice on the psychic side so I don't think I have anything of use to add, but wondered if anyone had any new insights?
QUOTE (Ruby @ Jun 26 2008, 09:56 PM)
Hello everyone, I'm new here, but have been following this thread for a while. Everything on Madeleine has gone very quiet. I'm a bit novice on the psychic side so I don't think I have anything of use to add, but wondered if anyone had any new insights?
Welcome to the forum Ruby (lovely nickname)
We've all been a novice at some time -- that doesn't mean that your own insight is not valuable.
Aw thanks very much. Nice warm welcome. My insights are very belated. May last year I dowsed the atlas and came up with a marina in Gibraltar. I disregarded it because of the general negative consensus. Everything else was fragmented and unclear after that, and after a while I felt it was better to step back from it. In May again this year, I rv'd what looked like a red building with tall windows along one side and what looked like some market gardening going on with low lying cold frames and quite a few people at work. The area was remote and surrounded by fields as far as the eye could see. My immediate thought was some sort of cloisters but I have a habit of trying to rationalise things.Nevertheless the imagery was strong and unfragmented. I dowsed the atlas again the next day and came up with a location outside one of the major cities in the Netherlands. This was also a very strong reading, but I can't be certain that my question was a "link to Madeleine" or "a location". Because the building was red I rationalised this to be one of those large northern European barns that are often built in red brick. I'll pay more attention next time to the imagery rather than what I think is the rational answer. Like I say, I am a novice so I'm not confident enough to hold much weight to what I have seen, but I thought I would mention it anyway in case there are any jigsaw pieces here that anyone might find useful - I don't want to throw any spanners into the works in terms of good strong leads that other people might have. Depending on how tired I am and how hectic the general pace of life is, I get a good flow of energy about 3 days before and after the full moon and sometimes it's not too bad around the new moon. Any guidance is welcome here. I'm just a normal every day bod who would like to develop what little I have to be of more help to people. All the best, Ruby.
Madeline is alive and will be found but it won't be for some time to come. She is older, maybe 6 or 10 and still fairly blonde.
I feel her loneliness, her sadness and I can feel how gutted her parents feel. It is a horrible thing to have happen.
I feel her loneliness, her sadness and I can feel how gutted her parents feel. It is a horrible thing to have happen.
hopefully she will be ok after she is found
1984 david bowie. could it be that the abductor was born in 65? the song says Im looking for the treason that I knew in 65? (maybe his parents deserted him? and he is looking to take her away from her parents for that reason?)
I heard on the news today in Southern California that the police are putting this in the cold-cases file.
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Report: Police End Madeleine McCann Probe
Last Edited: Tuesday, 01 Jul 2008, 4:50 AM PDT
Created: Tuesday, 01 Jul 2008, 4:50 AM PDT
Credit: MyFox By BARRY HATTON
Associated Press Writer
LISBON, Portugal -- Portuguese police are dropping their investigation into the disappearance of toddler Madeleine McCann due to a lack of evidence, media reported Tuesday.
Three Portuguese newspapers said the Public Prosecutor's office would call off its search for the British girl before Aug. 15, when the customary official secrecy period covering the investigation ends.
Closing the case would mean that official suspects, including Madeleine's parents, would no longer be under formal investigation.
Police could reopen the case if new evidence were to emerge, the newspapers said.
The three -- Correio da Manha, Jornal de Noticias and Expresso -- cited unidentified police sources saying the 14-month investigation had reached a dead end.
The police media office in Lisbon said there was no official comment on the reports.
Madeleine McCann went missing in Portugal's southern Algarve region during a family vacation in May 2007, a few days before her fourth birthday. Detectives named her parents, Kate and Gerry, and local man Robert Murat as formal suspects in the case. All denied involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.
The Portuguese lawyers for the suspects could not immediately be reached by telephone.
The McCanns, who have waged an international campaign to find their daughter, returned home to central England with Madeleine's younger sister and brother last September, a few days after they were named as suspects.
Clarence Mitchell, the parents' spokesman, said they were trying to confirm Tuesday's media reports but said he expected the search for Madeleine to continue.
"The information in their files surely cannot sit on the shelf gathering dust. Kate and Gerry will never give up searching for their daughter," Mitchell said.
He said that if Portuguese police end their inquiry they should hand their files over to the McCanns' private investigators.
"The police themselves must continue looking for Madeleine. We are concerned that if they are to simply shelve the case then what will happen to all of the information in their files? They must be made available to our investigators, who are working extremely hard to find Madeleine," Mitchell said.
The case has drawn global interest. A few weeks after Madeleine vanished, Pope Benedict XVI blessed the McCanns and a photo of their daughter during his weekly general audience at the Vatican. Numerous reported sightings of the blonde-haired girl proved to be false.
British and Portuguese police have cooperated in the investigation. Sophisticated forensic tests on evidence gathered at the resort where the girl disappeared were carried out in Britain.
In April, British police in England, accompanied by Portuguese detectives, re-interviewed the McCanns' friends, who were having dinner with them when Madeleine vanished.
Last Edited: Tuesday, 01 Jul 2008, 4:50 AM PDT
Created: Tuesday, 01 Jul 2008, 4:50 AM PDT
Credit: MyFox By BARRY HATTON
Associated Press Writer
LISBON, Portugal -- Portuguese police are dropping their investigation into the disappearance of toddler Madeleine McCann due to a lack of evidence, media reported Tuesday.
Three Portuguese newspapers said the Public Prosecutor's office would call off its search for the British girl before Aug. 15, when the customary official secrecy period covering the investigation ends.
Closing the case would mean that official suspects, including Madeleine's parents, would no longer be under formal investigation.
Police could reopen the case if new evidence were to emerge, the newspapers said.
The three -- Correio da Manha, Jornal de Noticias and Expresso -- cited unidentified police sources saying the 14-month investigation had reached a dead end.
The police media office in Lisbon said there was no official comment on the reports.
Madeleine McCann went missing in Portugal's southern Algarve region during a family vacation in May 2007, a few days before her fourth birthday. Detectives named her parents, Kate and Gerry, and local man Robert Murat as formal suspects in the case. All denied involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.
The Portuguese lawyers for the suspects could not immediately be reached by telephone.
The McCanns, who have waged an international campaign to find their daughter, returned home to central England with Madeleine's younger sister and brother last September, a few days after they were named as suspects.
Clarence Mitchell, the parents' spokesman, said they were trying to confirm Tuesday's media reports but said he expected the search for Madeleine to continue.
"The information in their files surely cannot sit on the shelf gathering dust. Kate and Gerry will never give up searching for their daughter," Mitchell said.
He said that if Portuguese police end their inquiry they should hand their files over to the McCanns' private investigators.
"The police themselves must continue looking for Madeleine. We are concerned that if they are to simply shelve the case then what will happen to all of the information in their files? They must be made available to our investigators, who are working extremely hard to find Madeleine," Mitchell said.
The case has drawn global interest. A few weeks after Madeleine vanished, Pope Benedict XVI blessed the McCanns and a photo of their daughter during his weekly general audience at the Vatican. Numerous reported sightings of the blonde-haired girl proved to be false.
British and Portuguese police have cooperated in the investigation. Sophisticated forensic tests on evidence gathered at the resort where the girl disappeared were carried out in Britain.
In April, British police in England, accompanied by Portuguese detectives, re-interviewed the McCanns' friends, who were having dinner with them when Madeleine vanished.
QUOTE (starlo @ Jun 30 2008, 01:39 PM)
1984 david bowie. could it be that the abductor was born in 65? the song says Im looking for the treason that I knew in 65? (maybe his parents deserted him? and he is looking to take her away from her parents for that reason?)
Interesting....I was born in '65.
Ive looked at how 1984 could be of use, maybe its 1+9+8+4 =22, 2+2 = 4....possibly 4 years before she is found from the date of her abduction !!! Would make her 8 or 9. I'm clutching at straws with trying to make sense of the relevance of this song if any.
Though I do feel she will be found alive before she is 10.
My son drew a picture of 2 houses adjoined by a bridge over running water,with Madeleine up a long series of steps in her bedroom eating sandwiches. He draws where he sees her being held when I ask him where Madeleine is.
My first thoughts were of a watermill, can any-one pick up on this ?
YES! it sounds like that old castle that i saw her at. at silves. although portimao came to mind as well. the watermill seems like medieval with a bridge. like camelot. i keep getting that feeling of both silves and portimao. maybe she gets taken back and forth between the two.
Hi Starlo, just wondered if pictures of Burgos Cathedral on Google ring any bells with you?
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Bridge over the Arade River
Dating back to the Medieval period, until only a few years ago it was this structure that connected Silves to the coast.
portugal cross-
It is the Cross of Portugal thought to have been made in the 16th century. One side depicts the Crucifixion, the other, Christ's descent from the cross. Such crosses were erected at key points along medieval pilgrim routes and this is a rare surviving example.
not far from silves is palmela. there is a wine house there.
i don't know if that means anything but. yeah. maybe they are all on a pilgrimage and that's why we all sense movement and crosses.
Dating back to the Medieval period, until only a few years ago it was this structure that connected Silves to the coast.
portugal cross-
It is the Cross of Portugal thought to have been made in the 16th century. One side depicts the Crucifixion, the other, Christ's descent from the cross. Such crosses were erected at key points along medieval pilgrim routes and this is a rare surviving example.
not far from silves is palmela. there is a wine house there.
i don't know if that means anything but. yeah. maybe they are all on a pilgrimage and that's why we all sense movement and crosses.
i don't know. but this Goncalo Amaral has been bothering me ever since i heard about him last year and how he lied about the torture of a missing child's mother. a missing girl that disappeared not to far from where madeleine vanished around the same age range as well. why is this ex officer so into this that he is writing a book and blaming the family? and not only that he is saying that she is dead. isn't that far from optimistic? aren't the police suppose to be finding her and not writing books and yapping their gums about how they believe she is already dead. i mean, is that the spirit of a search team? sounds more like he is trying to cover up information opposed to giving us top secret explosive information. top secret my butt. he is setting up a sea of red herrings in my opinion.
the latest picture of a suspect looks like a man who could've been born in 1984. estimated age 25-35. maybe the song did have some meaning.
and the song 1984 was from the "diamond dogs" album which was half recorded at Ludolf Studios, Hilversum, Netherlands. 30 km from Amsterdam.
could Hilversum be the place she is at now??
ammo said something about windmills. The Netherlands are known for their historic windmills. not too far from hilversum are windmills in oud-zuilen. and river is close to hilversum.
and the song 1984 was from the "diamond dogs" album which was half recorded at Ludolf Studios, Hilversum, Netherlands. 30 km from Amsterdam.
could Hilversum be the place she is at now??
ammo said something about windmills. The Netherlands are known for their historic windmills. not too far from hilversum are windmills in oud-zuilen. and river is close to hilversum.
Police Accused of Ignoring Possible Sightings of McCann
Sketches Released in One of Many Possible Sightings of Maddie McCann Witnesses Say Police Failed to Pursue
A Dutch shopkeeper says police ignored her after she reported seeing a young girl who looked like Madeleine McCann, the 3-year-old girl who disappeared in May in 2007, while on holiday in Portugal with her parents.
The account is one of several eyewitness accounts that allegedly were not pursued, as cited in 30,000 pages of evidence released this week by Portuguese police.
British newspaper The Daily Mirror today published sketches of a couple allegedly seen in Amsterdam with a girl who may have been Madeleine, just three days after she disappeared. The sketches, drawn exclusively for the newspaper by a police artist, show a moustached man in his 30s and a brown-haired woman in her 40s.
The drawings are based on the testimony of shopkeeper Anna Stam, who claims to have seen the trio in Amsterdam. Stam, 41, alleges that a young girl had told her, "My name is Maddy" and "They took me from my holiday."
Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007. Portuguese police formally shelved their investigation last month, saying they found no evidence of a crime.
The police also said they were no longer calling the girl's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, official suspects. The McCanns' have denied having anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.
Private detectives hired by the McCann family are combing through the evidence in hopes of finding new leads.
Another British newspaper, The Daily Mail, reported that there had been 107 witness reports related to missing Madeleine, but authorities did not follow up on many of them.
Alain Remue, the chief commanding officer of the Belgian Federal Polices' missing persons unit, told the Daily Mail that 67 of the reports were too vague. He reportedly said that the remaining 36 were investigated and passed on to Interpol in Portugal, but there was no response.
ABC News contacted Interpol and the Belgian police, but neither was able to confirm Remue's account.
Three of the possible sightings in the report were from Belgium, which has been rocked of late by several high-profile pedophilia rings.
In one account, Line Compere, 31, claimed to have spotted Madeleine in Belgium. She told the Sun newspaper that police had ignored her report that she saw a girl of Madeleine's description on a tram in Brussels, just 12 days after her disappearance.
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Sketches Released in One of Many Possible Sightings of Maddie McCann Witnesses Say Police Failed to Pursue
A Dutch shopkeeper says police ignored her after she reported seeing a young girl who looked like Madeleine McCann, the 3-year-old girl who disappeared in May in 2007, while on holiday in Portugal with her parents.
The account is one of several eyewitness accounts that allegedly were not pursued, as cited in 30,000 pages of evidence released this week by Portuguese police.
British newspaper The Daily Mirror today published sketches of a couple allegedly seen in Amsterdam with a girl who may have been Madeleine, just three days after she disappeared. The sketches, drawn exclusively for the newspaper by a police artist, show a moustached man in his 30s and a brown-haired woman in her 40s.
The drawings are based on the testimony of shopkeeper Anna Stam, who claims to have seen the trio in Amsterdam. Stam, 41, alleges that a young girl had told her, "My name is Maddy" and "They took me from my holiday."
Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007. Portuguese police formally shelved their investigation last month, saying they found no evidence of a crime.
The police also said they were no longer calling the girl's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, official suspects. The McCanns' have denied having anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.
Private detectives hired by the McCann family are combing through the evidence in hopes of finding new leads.
Another British newspaper, The Daily Mail, reported that there had been 107 witness reports related to missing Madeleine, but authorities did not follow up on many of them.
Alain Remue, the chief commanding officer of the Belgian Federal Polices' missing persons unit, told the Daily Mail that 67 of the reports were too vague. He reportedly said that the remaining 36 were investigated and passed on to Interpol in Portugal, but there was no response.
ABC News contacted Interpol and the Belgian police, but neither was able to confirm Remue's account.
Three of the possible sightings in the report were from Belgium, which has been rocked of late by several high-profile pedophilia rings.
In one account, Line Compere, 31, claimed to have spotted Madeleine in Belgium. She told the Sun newspaper that police had ignored her report that she saw a girl of Madeleine's description on a tram in Brussels, just 12 days after her disappearance.
LINK
has anyone tried psychometry on a photo of madeleine or on some of the sketches that have been released
Hi Peggy,
thank you for providing that news report and the link. It seems extraordinary to me that the police now claim there is no evidence of a crime. One has to wonder how a child can vanish without a trace and the investigating authorities -- after more than a year and after naming official suspects -- now consider that no criminal action was involved. I find their statement very bothersome, to put it mildly.
@ Nigel: I think many different forms of psychic investigation or inquiry have been employed in this case. My own comments (some pages back in this thread) were based upon remote viewing, but others have posted their perspectives after trying their own methods. Psychometry of a photograph would be a method only open to a few, as psychometry is generally used with materials that were possessed by the person being sought. Maybe it has been tried but I don't recall specifically reading of it anywhere.
If anyone has anything they would like to post -- derived from any method -- then please do so. Even if the Portuguese police have shelved this case, we and many others certainly have not.
thank you for providing that news report and the link. It seems extraordinary to me that the police now claim there is no evidence of a crime. One has to wonder how a child can vanish without a trace and the investigating authorities -- after more than a year and after naming official suspects -- now consider that no criminal action was involved. I find their statement very bothersome, to put it mildly.
@ Nigel: I think many different forms of psychic investigation or inquiry have been employed in this case. My own comments (some pages back in this thread) were based upon remote viewing, but others have posted their perspectives after trying their own methods. Psychometry of a photograph would be a method only open to a few, as psychometry is generally used with materials that were possessed by the person being sought. Maybe it has been tried but I don't recall specifically reading of it anywhere.
If anyone has anything they would like to post -- derived from any method -- then please do so. Even if the Portuguese police have shelved this case, we and many others certainly have not.
I know things have been rather quiet with any-one picking up on MM lately but has any-one seen this photo of a girl that looks like Madeleine Mccann on you tube under the title Is this girl our missing madeleine beth mccann ? posted from Rose2812 I'm pretty certain its her.
Any psychic feelings on this ? I cried when I saw the pic today...
Any psychic feelings on this ? I cried when I saw the pic today...
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