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rach69
has any one had any more feelings on where maddies is?
Lenky
QUOTE (rach69 @ Aug 15 2007, 03:37 PM) *
has any one had any more feelings on where maddies is?


Hello Rach,

yes, actually I have -- however my own impressions were a long time in coming, and now that I have them (if I can put it that way), they are in conflict with what a lot of others have said and so I have been in a quandary about what to say. But I feel that this case has gone on too long and I should speak out.

First, though, I'd like to comment on some of the reports that have been in the media lately. There has been a lot of coverage about this case (in Europe at least) and some people have been making extraordinary accusations from their positions as "armchair detectives", suggesting that the parents were involved. The Portuguese police have stated categorically that Madeleine's parents are not suspects, and I would expect that if they they thought they were they would officially name them as suspects (according to Portuguese law). However, police there are also stating the opinion that this little girl may have met with foul play of the worst kind -- I refuse to use more specific words than this -- and in my opinion no evidence has been presented to justify such statements. So they either have evidence which they are refusing to make public or they are perhaps using a "red herring" technique to lull her abductors into a false sense of security. The police there are not fools and such an approach is not unknown.

Very minuscule samples of blood taken from the room where she was (and recovered more than 90 days into the case after British sniffer dogs were brought in!) are being DNA-analyzed in the UK (where apparently such methods were pioneered) and the results are due out soon. The time here now is just after midnight (meaning we are now in the first hour of Friday 17 August) and I have just checked the UK sky news website for any updates about the results of this analysis and there is nothing new. They have a special page for news on Madeleine and its coverage is very extensive. As their site in no way offers services like the Guild's I see no harm in providing a link to it so you can keep tabs for yourselves:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/madeleine

My own feeling is that the results will show that the blood is not a match and most likely will not even match any of her family or close associates, but could have been there from long before.

Now to her location:

I will write what I have accumulated through what I can best describe as remote viewings. As I said, these took a long time to "arrive", but when I finally got them they were very clear. BTW I have never been to Portugal or even Spain, although I do feel some kind of affinity with that region for some reason.

I see Madeleine McCann is being held in a large house that is relatively modern, which fronts onto a dusty (ie non-tarmacked) road. The country there is quite open with low, rolling hills and the house's front windows are facing south -- meaning towards to coast which is some kilometres away. There is a wall all around the house, made of bricks, and with a fairly typical "Mediterranean" look to the style of it, namely arches along its whole length at the front, not so fancy at the sides. The front gate is of iron -- wrought iron I'd say -- and it opens on to the front yard, which is mainly paved with paving stones, predominately grey in colour with some dark red. The house itself is one-storey, I think (though there may be attic space with small windows), dark brick with some ornamental stone work. The yard goes all around the house and in the back there is a verandah with paving stones laid and then some grassed area where she can play. Yes, she plays. She is in good health and well cared for and is doing as best as can be expected under the circumstances.

She is being cared for by an older couple.The woman is perhaps 65 and the man about the same or a little younger. I get the feeling they are there more like house-keepers rather than being the owners.

She is not the only child there I feel. There are two others. One is older and one a little younger. I feel they are also abducted.

However, where I differ most from anyone is that I also see a second house. This one is also large and isolated, but it is some kilometres away -- maybe fifteen minutes by car -- and very close to the sea, which this house (where Madeleine is) is not. I suspect it may be possible to glimpse the sea from Madeleine's house but I am not sure. This second house is not so well kept and has a more rural or farmlike look to it. It has a small orange grove (of maybe a hundred mature trees) on the side of the property farthest from the sea, and you pass them as you go down the road (actually a track here) to the main yard.

There is a man of about 45 or so, quite large build and heavy set, who lives in the other house. There are also children there and he is the one who sets up the abductions. This man drives almost every day (in his dark blue passenger car) to where Madeleine is. (I saw him bring her a small tricycle -- one of those rather bright yellow plastic ones that smaller children can get around on.) He has a dilemma, I expect, because he doubtless never expected the publicity this case has generated. However, the houses are both isolated and in that rural area people don't talk to the police anyway if they can avoid it. Lots of smuggling and so forth goes on, bringing things over from Morocco and other places.

I am trying to puzzle a way to show where these two houses are by using very high-resolution google maps and somehow linking them to this site. I know the way from the man's house by the sea to this other place because I've "followed" him. (Please don't ask me to explain this.) If anyone can advise I'd be glad.

In the meantime, I can say that "Madeleine's House" lies NW from the small town of Praia da Luz (where she was taken). The other house -- where the real criminal lives -- is due SSW from her house (ie due almost directly West from Praia da Luz) and is located on a dead-end road on a property only a minute or two's walk from a small beach where there is a sort of inlet.

Have I sent this information to the authorities? No, I have not, because I am already aware that they have such a mountain of information from so many psychics, seers and others to go through that it would be virtually pointless. I worked with another member who back in May handed a large amount of information to the police in Leicestershire (who are handling things from the UK side) after we had gone through it, but as far as I know they have not acted upon it. That info did not contain all these details, but the fact is that some of what I see concurs with the other member's own remote viewings.

Regarding passing things on, I do know that the police -- or someone who has some way to get this to them -- might check sites like this one...

That is the only reason I have decided to release this now. If I am totally wrong then so be it. I don't fear being wrong but I do fear for this child and the others that are being held.

Peace, light and safety, Madeleine...to you and all the others...

Lenky
Arcane1
QUOTE (Lenky @ Aug 17 2007, 10:47 AM) *
Hello Rach,

yes, actually I have -- however my own impressions were a long time in coming, and now that I have them (if I can put it that way), they are in conflict with what a lot of others have said and so I have been in a quandary about what to say. But I feel that this case has gone on too long and I should speak out.

First, though, I'd like to comment on some of the reports that have been in the media lately. There has been a lot of coverage about this case (in Europe at least) and some people have been making extraordinary accusations from their positions as "armchair detectives", suggesting that the parents were involved. The Portuguese police have stated categorically that Madeleine's parents are not suspects, and I would expect that if they they thought they were they would officially name them as suspects (according to Portuguese law). However, police there are also stating the opinion that this little girl may have met with foul play of the worst kind -- I refuse to use more specific words than this -- and in my opinion no evidence has been presented to justify such statements. So they either have evidence which they are refusing to make public or they are perhaps using a "red herring" technique to lull her abductors into a false sense of security. The police there are not fools and such an approach is not unknown.

Very minuscule samples of blood taken from the room where she was (and recovered more than 90 days into the case after British sniffer dogs were brought in!) are being DNA-analyzed in the UK (where apparently such methods were pioneered) and the results are due out soon. The time here now is just after midnight (meaning we are now in the first hour of Friday 17 August) and I have just checked the UK sky news website for any updates about the results of this analysis and there is nothing new. They have a special page for news on Madeleine and its coverage is very extensive. As their site in no way offers services like the Guild's I see no harm in providing a link to it so you can keep tabs for yourselves:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/madeleine

My own feeling is that the results will show that the blood is not a match and most likely will not even match any of her family or close associates, but could have been there from long before.

Now to her location:

I will write what I have accumulated through what I can best describe as remote viewings. As I said, these took a long time to "arrive", but when I finally got them they were very clear. BTW I have never been to Portugal or even Spain, although I do feel some kind of affinity with that region for some reason.

I see Madeleine McCann is being held in a large house that is relatively modern, which fronts onto a dusty (ie non-tarmacked) road. The country there is quite open with low, rolling hills and the house's front windows are facing south -- meaning towards to coast which is some kilometres away. There is a wall all around the house, made of bricks, and with a fairly typical "Mediterranean" look to the style of it, namely arches along its whole length at the front, not so fancy at the sides. The front gate is of iron -- wrought iron I'd say -- and it opens on to the front yard, which is mainly paved with paving stones, predominately grey in colour with some dark red. The house itself is one-storey, I think (though there may be attic space with small windows), dark brick with some ornamental stone work. The yard goes all around the house and in the back there is a verandah with paving stones laid and then some grassed area where she can play. Yes, she plays. She is in good health and well cared for and is doing as best as can be expected under the circumstances.

She is being cared for by an older couple.The woman is perhaps 65 and the man about the same or a little younger. I get the feeling they are there more like house-keepers rather than being the owners.

She is not the only child there I feel. There are two others. One is older and one a little younger. I feel they are also abducted.

However, where I differ most from anyone is that I also see a second house. This one is also large and isolated, but it is some kilometres away -- maybe fifteen minutes by car -- and very close to the sea, which this house (where Madeleine is) is not. I suspect it may be possible to glimpse the sea from Madeleine's house but I am not sure. This second house is not so well kept and has a more rural or farmlike look to it. It has a small orange grove (of maybe a hundred mature trees) on the side of the property farthest from the sea, and you pass them as you go down the road (actually a track here) to the main yard.

There is a man of about 45 or so, quite large build and heavy set, who lives in the other house. There are also children there and he is the one who sets up the abductions. This man drives almost every day (in his dark blue passenger car) to where Madeleine is. (I saw him bring her a small tricycle -- one of those rather bright yellow plastic ones that smaller children can get around on.) He has a dilemma, I expect, because he doubtless never expected the publicity this case has generated. However, the houses are both isolated and in that rural area people don't talk to the police anyway if they can avoid it. Lots of smuggling and so forth goes on, bringing things over from Morocco and other places.

I am trying to puzzle a way to show where these two houses are by using very high-resolution google maps and somehow linking them to this site. I know the way from the man's house by the sea to this other place because I've "followed" him. (Please don't ask me to explain this.) If anyone can advise I'd be glad.

In the meantime, I can say that "Madeleine's House" lies NW from the small town of Praia da Luz (where she was taken). The other house -- where the real criminal lives -- is due SSW from her house (ie due almost directly West from Praia da Luz) and is located on a dead-end road on a property only a minute or two's walk from a small beach where there is a sort of inlet.

Have I sent this information to the authorities? No, I have not, because I am already aware that they have such a mountain of information from so many psychics, seers and others to go through that it would be virtually pointless. I worked with another member who back in May handed a large amount of information to the police in Leicestershire (who are handling things from the UK side) after we had gone through it, but as far as I know they have not acted upon it. That info did not contain all these details, but the fact is that some of what I see concurs with the other member's own remote viewings.

Regarding passing things on, I do know that the police -- or someone who has some way to get this to them -- might check sites like this one...

That is the only reason I have decided to release this now. If I am totally wrong then so be it. I don't fear being wrong but I do fear for this child and the others that are being held.

Peace, light and safety, Madeleine...to you and all the others...

Lenky



Thank you for sharing Lenky, as I too was drawn to the ocean and country side. There are more children involved as well as another house, though to me it would look more like a stable than a house but nonetheless. As for you "following" the man its as if your Spirit Guide/Angel felt the passion you have taken in helping with finding Madeleine that they wanted you to take that same journey she did. I do feel there is a connection.

Love & Light
Amerz
Hello All,

Honestly, I have not been following this story too well, but I'm going to respond with what impressions I've gotten about her fate from the photograph posted of her. I'm sorry if it is sad or anything, its just what I'm getting, and my visuals are sometimes wrong.

I don't know if what I see is the future or present, so bear with me.

She has been moved a relatively far distance from the place she was abducted. Her abductor and primary kidnapper is a male, but there is a female closely related to the situation and involved in it. Both are late thirties, early forties.

Her hair was cut. She was disguised as a boy. I see her wearing a baseball hat. She doesn't like it.

It is warm. Sticky, humid warm, but a cool edge is creeping in. Late summer, perhaps.

Her keeper is frightened. He's panicking that the case is getting too much attention, and she'll be found. He wanted to keep her, and raise her alive. However, he is afraid and wants to obscure as much evidence as possible.


Then, I'm getting a very wet sensation. More than normal humidity. Near or in the water. Its not directly the ocean, either. Perhaps a gulf or river. The water is dark and mildly polluted, so it is near a city, but not directly in a city.


That is all I have. I'm not sure if anyone can use that information or would care to, but its just what I've picked up about the situation. Again, could be off. I don't know if this is now, or if this is a possible future for her. Or if it is a combination of past, present, future. I really wish my visions were more distinct.

I am also getting heavy influences of the colors beige and yellow, but I don't know what that means. It could be colors attached to the place she is kept at.

Grey, too, sticks out. She might be wearing that color predominantly.

And possibly sunglasses.
helpinghand
I have some images about Madeleine that I wish to share, but before doing so, would like to explain how I achieved them.

I believe that I have had a psychic connection to my grandmother from the moment she passed away in front of me in a hospital room in 2003. In the days that followed her passing I began hearing words from her and typical phrases she would say. Thinking I was just making it up or being influenced by her funeral which was only a few days before, I asked her in her mind to prove to me that it was really her who was speaking to me in my head. I then had an image in my mind of her pointing to a point in a gravel path outside my flat and saying in her native language "look here, its here, look here its here".

So I left my seat, went outside and went to check if there was anything to this "message". To my surprise, and I guess my fear also, at the exact point on the footpath she was pointing to was a little coloured plastic golf ball on that gravel path. I have absolutely no idea where this golfball came from and was completely shocked when I saw it, because there had never appeared anything like that before in that section of the path. I was almost afraid to pick it up - but I did and kept it as a souvenir and a reminder that there are things and abilities people have in this world that we can't understand. I completely believe it was proof of a message from my grandmother that she is around me and guiding me.

Recently, I have been greatly affected by this Madeleine McCann case and I feel really sad for that little girl and have often shed a tear thinking about it. Recently I decided to ask my grandmother, whilst holding my souvenir colored golfball from her, where Madeleine McCann was.

The message I got from my grandmother was that she was: In the city of Barcelona Spain and she was very very firm on this - practically shouting this advice in my mind.
The images I got in my mind was that she is above a guitar shop, or a place where guitars are - like in a second storey of a shop or restaurant.
Another image I got was she was very alone, or alone most of the time - and that the walls of this room are white and peeling.
Another image I have is of her looking at a window with a view of a roof near the ceiling line of this room all the time. - THIS WAS ALL ASKED A FEW WEEKS AGO.


I don't like to dwell on negatives so I do not ask for information regarding her abductor, or whether she is hurt in any way. I just can't bear to get a negative response, I'm sorry if this doesn't help.

Just now again, when I have asked this question, my grandmother now says she is "on Bahar ta Caq" which is a beach in Malta (my grandmother was Maltese) and I get an image of a cute black and white little puppy which might be keeping her happy like a companion in some way. I've had this image of this puppy all day.

I tossed and turned about sending this info to the McCann's via their website but on the chance it is wrong I couldn't bear to bother them with any nonsense in any way shape or form. They probably have too many people trying to predict what happened to their precious daughter. They have been through enough already. unsure.gif This is probably the only website I have come across where I am relatively happy about posting such info/thoughts.

I believe in the power of prayer first and foremostly and I continue to pray for her safe reuniting with her family urgently may God help them.
helpinghand
Just a brief addendum to what I wrote above - there are two beaches in the Maltese archipelago with a similar name - one is Bahar ic Caq in the island of Gozo, and the other is Bahar ic Caghaq on the island of Malta. They are also both suburbs I believe. The words translate to "Beaches of choppy waters".

its interesting that alot of us have had similar impressions about Northern Africa region and water. I have read back the rest of the emails on this topic just now so as not to be influenced by them in my impressions.
Phoenix_Flight
Hiya Lenky

me and my mum have been following the madaline mcann story since the first news report came through. and i know people are trying to keep positive, but i believe she was kidnapped to order i believe that it could be by someone the family already know, and someone that maddie may have none. I still pray and hope that she is brought home alive and well and hopefull the danmage that may have been done will be fixable xxxxxxx


This post has been edited because it contravened the rules of the forum.
helpinghand
I still feel Madeleine is alive and okay and has this little dog around her as a companion. I still feel that she feels alone and misses her parents and so this bond with the puppy or small dog is really strong now, I feel its a black and white dog. I do feel she is in Spain, possibly in a mountainous region now.

Has anyone else had any more feelings or images on this important subject ?

I pray for her safe return to the arms of her parents so urgently.
Tricia
QUOTE (helpinghand @ Aug 31 2007, 01:49 AM) *
I still feel Madeleine is alive and okay and has this little dog around her as a companion. I still feel that she feels alone and misses her parents and so this bond with the puppy or small dog is really strong now, I feel its a black and white dog. I do feel she is in Spain, possibly in a mountainous region now.

Has anyone else had any more feelings or images on this important subject ?

I pray for her safe return to the arms of her parents so urgently.

Hi helpinghand.
I have read a few postings from different sites where Spain has been mentioned. I also hope for Madeleine's safe return. I feel she is still with us but wish things would move along to reunite her with her family again, this has been going on far too long!
Lenky
QUOTE (Arcane1 @ Aug 18 2007, 02:53 AM) *
...I too was drawn to the ocean and country side. There are more children involved as well as another house, though to me it would look more like a stable than a house but nonetheless. As for you "following" the man its as if your Spirit Guide/Angel felt the passion you have taken in helping with finding Madeleine that they wanted you to take that same journey she did. I do feel there is a connection.

Love & Light


Hello Arcane,

forgive me for being so slow in replying to you... I still believe that the second house (and the man who lives there) is vitally important in this. And yes, the house is very "rustic" and by modern "Western" standards rather run-down.

The connections: There are many, to many or all of us. Every hurt or injustice sooner or later has an impact on all at some level -- just as every act of goodness does. As I said some time back, this is not just about Madeleine, but other missing children as well -- and some of them were taken by the same person who took her.



QUOTE (Phoenix_Flight @ Aug 24 2007, 04:33 PM) *
Hiya Lenky

me and my mum have been following the madaline mcann story since the first news report came through. and i know people are trying to keep positive, but i believe she was kidnapped to order i believe that it could be by someone the family already know, and someone that maddie may have none. I still pray and hope that she is brought home alive and well and hopefull the danmage that may have been done will be fixable xxxxxxx


Hi Phoenix,

anything is possible but we won‘t know until she is returned… Thank you for expressing your own hopes and prayers. xx

QUOTE (Amerz @ Aug 19 2007, 02:50 AM) *
Hello All,

Honestly, I have not been following this story too well, but I'm going to respond with what impressions I've gotten about her fate from the photograph posted of her. I'm sorry if it is sad or anything, its just what I'm getting, and my visuals are sometimes wrong.

I don't know if what I see is the future or present, so bear with me.

She has been moved a relatively far distance from the place she was abducted. Her abductor and primary kidnapper is a male, but there is a female closely related to the situation and involved in it. Both are late thirties, early forties.

Her hair was cut. She was disguised as a boy. I see her wearing a baseball hat. She doesn't like it.

It is warm. Sticky, humid warm, but a cool edge is creeping in. Late summer, perhaps.

Her keeper is frightened. He's panicking that the case is getting too much attention, and she'll be found. He wanted to keep her, and raise her alive. However, he is afraid and wants to obscure as much evidence as possible.
Then, I'm getting a very wet sensation. More than normal humidity. Near or in the water. Its not directly the ocean, either. Perhaps a gulf or river. The water is dark and mildly polluted, so it is near a city, but not directly in a city.
That is all I have. I'm not sure if anyone can use that information or would care to, but its just what I've picked up about the situation. Again, could be off. I don't know if this is now, or if this is a possible future for her. Or if it is a combination of past, present, future. I really wish my visions were more distinct.

I am also getting heavy influences of the colors beige and yellow, but I don't know what that means. It could be colors attached to the place she is kept at.

Grey, too, sticks out. She might be wearing that color predominantly.

And possibly sunglasses.


Amerz,

I understand what you mean about trying to determine when in time an RV or impression/vision is… I do feel, though, that by passing on what you have been given it may help someone else and so it all is valuable. Thank you. xx


QUOTE (helpinghand @ Aug 31 2007, 02:49 PM) *
I still feel Madeleine is alive and okay and has this little dog around her as a companion. I still feel that she feels alone and misses her parents and so this bond with the puppy or small dog is really strong now, I feel its a black and white dog. I do feel she is in Spain, possibly in a mountainous region now.

Has anyone else had any more feelings or images on this important subject ?

I pray for her safe return to the arms of her parents so urgently.


Hello Helpinghand,

Thank you for your posts and the insights you have passed on in such detail… I personally have nothing else I can add, but it seems that we are gaining impressions and information from many sources and I think that the pieces of the puzzle are collecting themselves together. Many people visit this site and perhaps one of them will find something here that will help.

QUOTE (Tricia @ Aug 31 2007, 04:52 PM) *
Hi helpinghand.
I have read a few postings from different sites where Spain has been mentioned. I also hope for Madeleine's safe return. I feel she is still with us but wish things would move along to reunite her with her family again, this has been going on far too long!


Yes, Spain has been mentioned often in other reports I have been following lately through the news media and so forth. Right now, the main thing is that there is a strong feeling in our community that she is still among us: this is something we need to hold on to…
BronwynB
Still keeping Maddy in my daily thoughts.
I pray that wherever she may be that she is been taken care of.

I wonder to myself with the amount of donations the family has recieved, if they have at all involved a reputuble psychic to assist them. Been a parent of a little girl myself, i would think that i would take any kind of assistance available. With more and more psychic investigators becoming involved with criminal cases, why not take a chance?
My first feeling i got on this case was that she was ubducted by someone within the hotel walls, a cleaning lady perhaps, someone that she knew, and someone that would know the whereabouts of the adults. Morroco came to me very strongly too, perhaps a final destination. Maybe its got to do with the crossing of borders. However i still feel that she is in Europe, France seems to be coming to me alot lately aswell.

I pray that god protect her, and that as young as she is that she knows she is deeply loved and missed.

Lets all try and keep her in our daily prayers and thoughts.

Bronwyn
starlo
i have this feeling that there is going to be some kind of breakthrough in the Madeleine Mccann abduction this month. i don't know, i just have this strong feeling that alot will be revealed (possibly even madeleine herself) between september-november this year. i pray for her and all those close to her.
Tricia
QUOTE (starlo @ Sep 6 2007, 06:02 AM) *
i have this feeling that there is going to be some kind of breakthrough in the Madeleine Mccann abduction this month. i don't know, i just have this strong feeling that alot will be revealed (possibly even madeleine herself) between september-november this year. i pray for her and all those close to her.

Starlo, I also believe we shall see Madeleine again and to be honest, I can't bring myself to think any other way.
Why would she be kept this long and why, as Kate said, can't whoever has Madeleine leave her somewhere safe?
booie
QUOTE (Tricia @ Sep 6 2007, 05:29 PM) *
Starlo, I also believe we shall see Madeleine again and to be honest, I can't bring myself to think any other way.
Why would she be kept this long and why, as Kate said, can't whoever has Madeleine leave her somewhere safe?


I read this thread after seeing her in the news again today. I can't say I read everyone's post but each one that I read sounded positive. It seems as if everyone believes she is alive. I understand that they have some forensic evidence that may lead police to believe she may be dead. I do think this case is so sad and I hope she is alive, that her parents find her well soon but I can't help and fear and know it's possible she is not alive.

In any event, I find it inspirational to see that so many people are praying and hoping for one family to find peace.
Lenky
QUOTE (booie @ Sep 7 2007, 02:52 AM) *
I read this thread after seeing her in the news again today. I can't say I read everyone's post but each one that I read sounded positive. It seems as if everyone believes she is alive. I understand that they have some forensic evidence that may lead police to believe she may be dead. I do think this case is so sad and I hope she is alive, that her parents find her well soon but I can't help and fear and know it's possible she is not alive.

In any event, I find it inspirational to see that so many people are praying and hoping for one family to find peace.


Thank you, Booie...

It is certainly a very sad, complicated and sometimes confusing case...The latest news is that Kate McCann (Madeleine's mother) is to visit the police station shortly where she will be formally be declared a suspect by the Portuguese police. Under Portuguese law, there are certain questions that can only be asked of a person if s/he is officially a suspect (which means that they cannot be asked of a witness, which Mr and Mrs McCann have been up to now). So, in spite of any suggestions in the media we should not read more into this development than that.

Meanwhile I hope that our main focus will remain on Madeleine and the hope of finding her soon.
Tricia
It's good to see postings about Madeleine here. Last night I was glued to Sky news until past 1 am, I couldn't go to bed until I saw Kate leaving the police station and here I am once again (11:15 pm) waiting for Gerry to leave the station.
I can not believe that Kate could have done what the police are saying and they are actually asking her to make a confession admitting to accidently killing Madeleine and if she does they will see she gets 2 years or less in jail!
Something doesn't sit right, are they still trying to get Kate and Gerry out of the picture, like they tried to do a few weeks ago?
Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?
Tricia x
Lenky
QUOTE (Tricia @ Sep 8 2007, 12:24 AM) *
It's good to see postings about Madeleine here. Last night I was glued to Sky news until past 1 am, I couldn't go to bed until I saw Kate leaving the police station and here I am once again (11:15 pm) waiting for Gerry to leave the station.
I can not believe that Kate could have done what the police are saying and they are actually asking her to make a confession admitting to accidently killing Madeleine and if she does they will see she gets 2 years or less in jail!
Something doesn't sit right, are they still trying to get Kate and Gerry out of the picture, like they tried to do a few weeks ago?
Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?
Tricia x

Hello Tricia,

yes I agree that a lot of things do not sit right. The first thing that comes to my mind is that if the PJ (Policia Judiciaria [sp??]) actually had sufficient evidence to charge anyone in connection with this case then the obvious thing to do would be to arrest the person/s and charge them. It is an extraordinary step in these circumstances to offer a deal to "confess" prior to even laying charges against a person; so if the reported allegations of the PJ offering Mrs McCann a "deal" are true, it strongly suggests (imho) that there is not enough evidence to frame a charge that would hold up before a magistrate and so the PJ wants a "confession".

Further to the PJ's alleged deal (and I say alleged because as no such "deal" will be confirmed by them and this info has come only from a McCann family member, so it is unprovable), there is no way that the PJ can guarantee any particular sentence by a court. If that were the case then the entire judicial system of Portugal is suddenly rendered invalid! Yes I have heard of plea bargains, but they come after a person has at least been charged. Beyond that, it is the court of criminal proceedings and only the court that has the right make a judgment and to pass sentence, and if the police have tried to make a deal and "promise" a relatively light sentence then they have not only over-stepped their authority but have probably done something rather illegal.

What follows is for anyone reading:

We must, of course, bear in mind that there is no proof of any such deal being offered. Mrs McCann is not permitted to publicly discuss details of this case, so we must allow for the admittedly slight possibility that her family member's information is not totally correct or that her statements, edited by the media, may be slightly misleading.

It cannot be denied that the PJ have put an enormous amount of effort and resources into this case and in spite of our own opinions about their progress, the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of police are decent and honest -- and those in Portugal only want what we want: a resolution of this case.

Please note that while both Mr and Mrs McCann have now been formally declared "arguido" (suspects) in this case, that does not carry the same meaning as it does in some other countries. In fact, an individual can request to be declared "arguido" (or "arguida" if a woman) as this formality affords him or her certain protections and also requires the police to provide details of the evidence they have. The Portuguese police do not have to reveal any such details when questioning a witness; at the same time, they are restricted in what questions they can ask a witness. Such questions include asking the person if they actually committed the (alleged) crime. Obviously they would have asked this of Mr and Mrs McCann once they had "arguido" status, and equally obviously, they both either replied in the negative or retained their rights as "arguido" and did not answer. (An "arguido" has the right to remain silent.) If either of them had admitted to committing the alleged crime, then I am sure that the police would have been obliged to arrest and charge them. To fail to do so would be ludicrous. Ergo, there were no admissions.

I repeat: at the time I write Mr and Mrs McCann have not been arrested or charged. They were both questioned (separately, which is the correct way to conduct such questioning), and then released. They are not "on bail" as they haven't been charged with anything, and are not under the orders of any court.

I hope my long-winded explanation has helped to clear up a few points for some readers and also deflected the effects of misinformed statements being made on some websites and in some news media.

If anyone has seen newspaper or media reports about the forensic test results, please bear in mind that these results have not been officially released to the public. All that we "know" is the result of "leaks" and any such leaks are of dubious credibility. Any assumptions (of guilt or an actual crime) based on these "results" are therefore premature. Apparently, under Portuguese law, the PJ cannot release these details due to their secrecy laws that protect evidence while an investigation is in progress, and if they are officially released by the British side then that could be seen as hindering the case.

Something else that doesn't sit right is that if a person accidentally injures his or her own child, the natural reaction is to do whatever one can to help. Any recriminations can come later. Mr and Mrs McCann are both medical doctors, and several of the group they were with are also medical doctors, and any doctor's first reaction would be to make all possible efforts to help this little girl.

What worries me the most is that these latest developments have drawn police and media resources away from the true quest, which is to find Madeleine McCann.

Please everyone, keep her in your thoughts...and think of the other missing children as well...

Thank you...
starlo
i think it was an accident
Lenky
My own assumptions (in my previous post) were somewhat astray. I have obtained some information via a Portuguese lawyer and it shows some of the differences between the legal/judicial system in that country and perhaps your own...

First of all, the Portuguese police (PJ) have no legal power to make “deals”. Any “deals” can only be done with a judge/magistrate in a court of law -- similar but not identical, I suppose, to the situations you may have heard of in the US where a judge may accept a plea bargain.

Secondly, the police (PJ) have no power to charge a suspect in such a case as this. They conduct the investigation and prepare information for the public prosecutor, who then decides whether to lay charges or not. These powers are covered under sect. 276 of the civil procedures code.

Third: under sect. 314 of the civil procedures code, the only confessions that have any legal validity in Portugal are those made during a court hearing. Even if a person “confessed” to police during questioning, only its confirmation in court has any validity. If the person recants their original confession in court then it is no longer valid and will not even be considered by the judge.

So, it would seem that the information in the media -- stating that Mrs McCann was offered a “deal” by the police -- is erroneous.
Tricia
QUOTE (Lenky @ Sep 8 2007, 12:00 AM) *
What worries me the most is that these latest developments have drawn police and media resources away from the true quest, which is to find Madeleine McCann.

Please everyone, keep her in your thoughts...and think of the other missing children as well...

Thank you...

Thanks for your posting Lenky, it was very informative. Madeleine is still out there and the search has to continue. I feel deeply for her parents, how awful for them. They also want the search for their daughter to continue, regardless of what is happening to them now.
I wish I could pick up something, anything that would shed some light on this, but I feel that because I have been so wrapped up in this, it is causing a block, I seem to be unable to focus in the right way.
Lenky
QUOTE (Tricia @ Sep 8 2007, 11:36 PM) *
Thanks for your posting Lenky, it was very informative. Madeleine is still out there and the search has to continue. I feel deeply for her parents, how awful for them. They also want the search for their daughter to continue, regardless of what is happening to them now.
I wish I could pick up something, anything that would shed some light on this, but I feel that because I have been so wrapped up in this, it is causing a block, I seem to be unable to focus in the right way.


Hello Tricia,

I understand what you are saying about feeling unable to focus...I suspect many of us are feeling the same way. This case is getting more strange, distressing for all concerned, and complex every day. I cannot even imagine what the McCann family are going through now...I pray that they will have some goodness shining in soon to alleviate this terrible time they are suffering.

And yes -- the search should go on.
Thank you,
Lenky
Tricia
Good evening all.
I'm off to bed shortly, work tomorrow so an early night needed here, but I wanted to check in here first.
I watched the news today, I'm sure we all did! and my heart went out to Kate and Gerry. It must have been so difficult deciding to return to the UK, I know they were going to do it quite soon anyway but given what has transpired over the past couple days I think it was the best thing they could do.
The search for Madeleine will still continue and I'm sure the McCann family will make sure Madeleine is not forgotten despite Kate and Gerry being home.
Perhaps it will take what has happened to bring Madeleine into the picture again. I don't know why, but I have a sense of comfort knowing Kate and Gerry are home.
Anyway good night all.
Blessings
Tricia x
Tricia
I'd like to post a link and hope it's ok to do so, it's about Madeleine, with audio. It's very touching and so beautiful.
Thanks
Tricia x

http://www.howgreatthouart.co.uk/maddie.htm
Lenky
QUOTE (Tricia @ Sep 15 2007, 04:39 PM) *
I'd like to post a link and hope it's ok to do so, it's about Madeleine, with audio. It's very touching and so beautiful.
Thanks
Tricia x

http://www.howgreatthouart.co.uk/maddie.htm


Tricia,

thank you... I am sure it's okay to post this link.

Madeleine, it will all be okay...there are lovely angels all around you.
nigel
i was wondering if anyone had seen any news articles showing a photo of a bald man watching madeleine and her 2 younger siblings if so do you think he may know what happened to her
Tricia
QUOTE (nigel @ Sep 15 2007, 07:43 AM) *
i was wondering if anyone had seen any news articles showing a photo of a bald man watching madeleine and her 2 younger siblings if so do you think he may know what happened to her

Hi Nigel.
Yes I have also seen that photo, he also appears in another photo walking with the GNR and Murat in the early days of Madeleine's disappearance. I'm not sure who he is, but I have often wondered.
nigel
when i saw that photo i felt very sick in my stomach almost immediately not sure why though
feeler
QUOTE (Tricia @ Sep 15 2007, 09:39 AM) *
I'd like to post a link and hope it's ok to do so, it's about Madeleine, with audio. It's very touching and so beautiful.
Thanks
Tricia x

http://www.howgreatthouart.co.uk/maddie.htm

very, very touching indeed" my heart was already broken for little maddy now it's completely shattered. I still feel maddy is in a small place in a big room either in a wooden box, or it even feels like she's under a house or a porch. ask me more if you like please.
AnnaBella
QUOTE (feeler @ Sep 17 2007, 08:58 PM) *
very, very touching indeed" my heart was already broken for little maddy now it's completely shattered. I still feel maddy is in a small place in a big room either in a wooden box, or it even feels like she's under a house or a porch. ask me more if you like please.

My heart and prayer's go out to Maddie and her family. May she return home, safely!!! What a PRECIOUS little girl sad.gif

Anna
spooky
QUOTE (AnnaBella @ Sep 19 2007, 07:40 AM) *
My heart and prayer's go out to Maddie and her family. May she return home, safely!!! What a PRECIOUS little girl sad.gif

Anna





hi anyone around ,its my first post ,and wondered if be ok to post all my dreams and thoughts on this case ,as new im not sure of youre rules [size=1]
nigel
if you arent sure send a private message to 1 of the moderators and see what they say
Victoria
QUOTE (spooky @ Sep 19 2007, 09:10 AM) *
hi anyone around ,its my first post ,and wondered if be ok to post all my dreams and thoughts on this case ,as new im not sure of youre rules [size=1]


As Nigel said, you can send me a PM.

The link to the rules is posted at the top of the page.

With a case like this there are also legal considerations -- PM and I will check it out.
helpinghand
Okay, I just had this 2 second flash of Madeleine being reunited with her parents, breaking news, all over CNN - 24 hour coverage etc.... then the number 10. The premonition was of Madeleine in a white top hugging her mother.

Possiby 10 days, or 10 months ? but not 10 years, as Kate and Gerry looked the same as they do now in this "premonition".

I have premonitions when I am usually doing something completely unrelated and not thinking of the topic - for instance I was just reading my daughter a bedtime story when I had this premonition.

There was a great feeling of excitement, relief and positivity within my heart after this premonition. To date, I have not had a premonition of this nature about Madeleine.

I hope I am reading this all right as it I cannot adequately explain how amazingly fantastic it would be if Madeleine was finally found.

I also feel someone will come through with a vital piece of new information very soon which will be like setting a snowball rolling down a hill REALLY fast.

Has anyone else had any visions or thoughts they'd like to share on this topic ?
Tricia
QUOTE (helpinghand @ Sep 21 2007, 12:12 AM) *
Okay, I just had this 2 second flash of Madeleine being reunited with her parents, breaking news, all over CNN - 24 hour coverage etc.... then the number 10. The premonition was of Madeleine in a white top hugging her mother.

Possiby 10 days, or 10 months ? but not 10 years, as Kate and Gerry looked the same as they do now in this "premonition".

I have premonitions when I am usually doing something completely unrelated and not thinking of the topic - for instance I was just reading my daughter a bedtime story when I had this premonition.

There was a great feeling of excitement, relief and positivity within my heart after this premonition. To date, I have not had a premonition of this nature about Madeleine.

I hope I am reading this all right as it I cannot adequately explain how amazingly fantastic it would be if Madeleine was finally found.

I also feel someone will come through with a vital piece of new information very soon which will be like setting a snowball rolling down a hill REALLY fast.

Has anyone else had any visions or thoughts they'd like to share on this topic ?

Hello helpinghand.
Thanks for your post and what a fantastic premonition! It sounds very positive. I also feel she will return, not sure when though, but something tells me she will. I haven't had any premonitions about Madeleine, although I have had a few in the past regarding things happening. I once saw a passenger place, take off the run way, shortly after take off, it broke in two, almost like an explosion, the place had a blue tail and there was blue on the wings also, the rest was white. I can remember the panic I felt on seeing this. Sadly about a week later I saw the plane on the News, it happened in Thailand sad.gif .
With premonitions like that I still can't understand why things like that are shown, how could you pervent some of these things happening? It is so very frustrating.
nigel
could the house or unit where madeleine is being held have the number 10 in it or the numbers add up to 10
Tricia
QUOTE (nigel @ Sep 21 2007, 06:13 AM) *
could the house or unit where madeleine is being held have the number 10 in it or the numbers add up to 10

Not sure about that Nigel, I have re read helpinghand's post and I felt she was meaning days/months, rather than a number on a house/door etc and also she added that Kate and Gerry looked the same as they to now i.e. meaning they hadn't aged.
I'm sure when helpinghands posts again, she will no doubt add to what you have asked Nigel.
Tricia
nigel
it would be nice if she was found sooner rather than later
helpinghand
QUOTE (nigel @ Sep 22 2007, 03:13 AM) *
could the house or unit where madeleine is being held have the number 10 in it or the numbers add up to 10



Hi Nigel

I did feel that it was more of a passage of time than anything, such as 10 days, 10 weeks, or 10 months - that could mean, 10 days, weeks or months till we see her again, or 10 months since she went missing is when we see her again. Also- it could be the 10th of the month or the 10th month being October.

I have written other passages above of where I feel psychically she is located. I definitely feel there is a strong link to the ocean or beach also - even now - that possibly she is being moved about on the water.

On a side note, I wonder where Allison Dubois is ? I wonder if the Mccanns have thought of contacting her or whether vice versa.
starlo
recently i posted on this forum saying that some breaking events in this case would happen and it was strange because as soon as i turned on the tube i saw headlines about the parents being suspects. maybe i've been living in a cave, but at the time i hadn't seen any new footage at all about this case.

i had the feeling that something big would happen between sep-nov. now i'm getting sirens that november will be huge. furthermore, i didn't share this probably but someone back in the forum mentioned something about water?

well, when i was watching the news i saw the parents standing on this hilly road in the town (before they flew back to the uk). in the background i saw like a sea port? does anyone know what body of water that is? it totally caught my eye. don't know why, but just felt this very strong attraction to that water. i saw this pinkish greenish light coming from it. i see this white house with light reflecting off in the mid day. the outside walls are built with this very sharp white stone almost like coral. and i hear like a wind chime. i also smell a horrible fishy smell. i mean it could be just the sea, but maybe the house owners own like a fishery or something.

has anyone else out there have this experience or see something similar?
joey
has anyone else out there have this experience or see something similar?
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About two days ago I was knitting (very mundane!) and got a vision of Madeleine walking in a grassy area - like marshland, kind of grass but green & yellowish. Behind her was a body of water. It was a bit windy, which made me feel it was near the sea again but I can't think where. I agree with you that I get water featuring VERY strongly whenever I think of her. She was wearing white, not sure if it was a dress or a t-shirt but I didn't see anyone else with her. I wished I had seen more, or had been given more clues but that was it. The wind chime rings a bell (er... sorry no pun intended!) - but it seems to be more of a fog horn kind of sound, again suggesting that she is near water. The only thing was that in my vision she was happy - well not maybe happy but not sad - contented and just walking through on this grassy place, like a cliff top or something. This gives me some hope that she is not inconsolable or desperate at the moment. I always trust my feelings when I get visions like these, but I just don't know what to make of it or what I am supposed to do to help, I wish I could do more.

I can only hope that your are right Starlo and Oct -Nov bring some news or even Madeleine herself. Every day I really pray that she is found. I have a stepdaughter the same age and can imagine what it must have been like for her to have been separated from her parents and what she is going through. Bless her.
nigel
maybe she will be found on the 10th of the 10th at 10.10 am or pm
starlo
QUOTE (joey @ Sep 22 2007, 05:54 AM) *
has anyone else out there have this experience or see something similar?
About two days ago I was knitting (very mundane!) and got a vision of Madeleine walking in a grassy area - like marshland, kind of grass but green & yellowish. Behind her was a body of water. It was a bit windy, which made me feel it was near the sea again but I can't think where. I agree with you that I get water featuring VERY strongly whenever I think of her. She was wearing white, not sure if it was a dress or a t-shirt but I didn't see anyone else with her. I wished I had seen more, or had been given more clues but that was it. The wind chime rings a bell (er... sorry no pun intended!) - but it seems to be more of a fog horn kind of sound, again suggesting that she is near water. The only thing was that in my vision she was happy - well not maybe happy but not sad - contented and just walking through on this grassy place, like a cliff top or something. This gives me some hope that she is not inconsolable or desperate at the moment. I always trust my feelings when I get visions like these, but I just don't know what to make of it or what I am supposed to do to help, I wish I could do more.

I can only hope that your are right Starlo and Oct -Nov bring some news or even Madeleine herself. Every day I really pray that she is found. I have a stepdaughter the same age and can imagine what it must have been like for her to have been separated from her parents and what she is going through. Bless her.




that's very interesting. 10 miles east of praia da luz is portimao where the atlantic mouthes into the arade river. the river winds up and up across beautiful marshland until it reaches the town silves. only small boats can travel the river nowadays. there is an old moorish castle on top of a hill. then there is a church called Santa Misericórdia which has a bell tower. a lot of the buildings are made of sandstone.

there is very interesting history about the town of silves. according to what i found on the web, " In the 10th century, it was one of the most important towns of western Al-Andalus. Al-Andalus is the arabic name for the parts of the iberian peninsula that were governed by the Muslims (moors). later these parts would be taken back by the Christians during the reconquista. the last Muslim king of the western Al-andalus, king Ibn Afan, would lose the town to Paio Peres Correia, Grand-Master of the order of Santiago in 1242, after the Alentejo and most of the coast had already fallen in 1238. The mosque in Silves was then turned into a church.

It has been argued by Muslims that Jews (and other religious minorities) were treated significantly better in Muslim-controlled Iberia than in Christian western Europe, living in a unique "golden age" of tolerance, respect and harmony.It is only very recently that some defenders of Islam have begun to assert that their society in the past accorded equal status to non-Muslims. " (wikipedia)


it looks very pretty there.
feeler
QUOTE (helpinghand @ Sep 21 2007, 06:12 AM) *
Okay, I just had this 2 second flash of Madeleine being reunited with her parents, breaking news, all over CNN - 24 hour coverage etc.... then the number 10. The premonition was of Madeleine in a white top hugging her mother.

Possiby 10 days, or 10 months ? but not 10 years, as Kate and Gerry looked the same as they do now in this "premonition".

I have premonitions when I am usually doing something completely unrelated and not thinking of the topic - for instance I was just reading my daughter a bedtime story when I had this premonition.

There was a great feeling of excitement, relief and positivity within my heart after this premonition. To date, I have not had a premonition of this nature about Madeleine.

I hope I am reading this all right as it I cannot adequately explain how amazingly fantastic it would be if Madeleine was finally found.

I also feel someone will come through with a vital piece of new information very soon which will be like setting a snowball rolling down a hill REALLY fast.

Has anyone else had any visions or thoughts they'd like to share on this topic ?
I've shared my insight about maddy here. i've also said if I post something on here it seem's like it doesn't help maddy. last time I posted that I get this really strong feeling that she is in small box in a big room I also said that I get this feeling that she is either under a porch because this box or what ever she is in is close to the beach and she can hear the tree's and the ocean. the sand is really close to her. it frustrates me because I want to make a difference for maddy but what can I do, who and how do I contact to be my eye's over there so they can go and look where I feel she is. also the place, house she is in behind this place is a white tall house with a red roof. from this house a path goes down to where she is, look in and under this house, my feeling also is there is some kind of wooden pattern around this house. I get this feeling also of palm tree's 2 very big ones infront of this place. LET'S ALL GET THIS RESOLVED NOW. WE CAN NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE.
coleb
just wondering if any of you have been keeping up with the media reports on this?

i.e. it seems they are not so much "searching" for her anymore as trying to gain testimonial evidence from her parents...bc they believe they killed her
tweetie
You know as I was reading these posts I have been thinking about how she resembles a young Elizabeth Smart and how Elizabeth was found after 9 1/2 months. Sometimes when I start thinking thought like that it turns out to be a premonition of sorts. Time will tell.
Tricia
I would like to post a link from a News Paper, it's recent news and from what I have read the photo was taken in August.
My thoughts on this is, the child looks very much like Madeleine, why would a child of so fair skinned be with these people? Perhaps they have no idea who she is, I doubt if they have television and perhaps don't read news Papers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...amp;ito=newsnow
Angel C
QUOTE (Tricia @ Sep 25 2007, 10:29 AM) *
I would like to post a link from a News Paper, it's recent news and from what I have read the photo was taken in August.
My thoughts on this is, the child looks very much like Madeleine, why would a child of so fair skinned be with these people? Perhaps they have no idea who she is, I doubt if they have television and perhaps don't read news Papers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...amp;ito=newsnow


Hi Tricia

It could be her, I hope so! I think someone on here said she would be found in Morrocco in September!
What worries me though is the media coverage, surely it must be counter-productive to publish this photo.

Love
Jodee
Tricia
QUOTE (jodee @ Sep 25 2007, 10:43 AM) *
Hi Tricia

It could be her, I hope so! I think someone on here said she would be found in Morrocco in September!
What worries me though is the media coverage, surely it must be counter-productive to publish this photo.

Love
Jodee


Hi Jodee, yes the media coverage is huge, it will be in all the papers tomorrow.
I hope it is her.
Tricia xx
Angel C
QUOTE (Tricia @ Sep 25 2007, 10:47 AM) *
Hi Jodee, yes the media coverage is huge, it will be in all the papers tomorrow.
I hope it is her.
Tricia xx


Yes lets all send love and light and pray and visualise her being reunited unharmed with her family. Let us all focus on a happy outcome by the end of this weekxx
Tricia
The Photo enlarged. Hope it works!
Grrrrrrr, sorry, I thought I would be able to post it, but now I'm not sure how as there is no upload option, I tried the insert image option but it asked me for a URL unsure.gif
ETA: perhaps a Mod could help with this please, I have the photo saved under my pictures, normally I am able to upload it from there, without having to do URL?
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